I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • bluedahlia
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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
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    Comparing the debt to slavery is classless and it seems to be a recurring theme with the rightwing. Paul Ryan compared abortionists to "abolitionists." That Dr Carson guy compared Obamacare to "slavery" and Glen Beck thinks gun control is "enslavement." Probably has happened more than that. The GOP seems to unify themselves behind certain mutually agreed upon expressions designed to evoke some gut feeling - in this case slavery is evil, so they catapult their ideas instantly onto the "good" side by comparing what they disagree with to slavery. Minimizes their actual need to develop a rational argument for what they believe in while minimizing the true evilness of slavery. Lazy classless idiots.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited November 2013


    What GGG said!

  • IllinoisLady
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    I triple that Yorkie and all of Blue's pics, including political .ThumbsUpThumbsUpThumbsUpHappy

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    A little something to ponder:


    The Progress Report Banner


    Obamacare Update


    Nov 12, 2013 | By CAP Action War Room

    Obamacare Enrollment Is Going Better Than You Think, Here’s Why


    It’s shaping up to be another big week on the Obamacare front.


    Tomorrow, House Republican Inquisitor-in-Chief Darrell Issa is planning a hearing on HealthCare.gov’s woes. Facts, of course, rarely get in the way of Issa’s attacks on the Obama administration. For example, an Issa aide even went so far last week as to defend a false and widely-criticized 60 Minutes piece on Benghazi that has since been retracted. Issa’s misleadingleaks ahead of the Obamacare hearing indicate it will be about as fair and balanced as his previous investigations into Solyndra, Benghazi, and the IRS non-scandal.


    On Friday, the House of Representatives will consider a bill that takes advantage of the controversy over dropped policies in order to remove key consumer protections in Obamacare. This will be the 48th such vote in the Republican-controlled House, which refuses to take up important bills like ENDA and claims it doesn’t have time to deal with immigration reform (though Republicans did find time earlier this year to pass a measure to deport DREAMers).


    In related news, Congress’ approval rating dropped to another single-digit record low.


    The Obama administration is also due to release the first official statistics on the number of Americans who enrolled in health coverage during the month of October, when HealthCare.gov’s functionality was at its worst.


    ThinkProgress rounds up six reasons why enrollment is actually going better than you think:


    1. More than 500,000 have signed up for insurance overall. Avalere Health, a consulting firm tracking sign-ups, estimates that at least 440,000 people have signed up for Medicaid and another 49,000 people enrolled in coverage in 12 states and the District of Columbia that are operating their own exchanges. Significantly, that state number don’t appear to include enrollment from California, Massachusetts, or Oregon. Thus, all told, more than 529,000 have enrolled in coverage.


    2. People are enrolling despite an error-ridden website. Some enrollees — particularly the younger and healthier population who does not absolutely need coverage — may be putting off enrollment given HealthCare.gov’s technical glitches or are waiting until the website is fixed to sign up. The administration reports that more visitors are now successfully getting through the enrollment process from beginning to end, but the website is still struggling to process enrollees and deliver accurate and verifiable information to health insurers. “Given all of the web site problems, I think 50,000 sounds pretty good, if this is actual private plan enrollments through the federal marketplace,” Tim Jost, a professor at William & Mary, told ThinkProgress. “I am surprised it is that high. But I hope it picks up for November and takes off for December. ”


    3. The Massachusetts experience predicted low early enrollment. In the first four months of enrollment in Commonwealth Care — the Massachusetts health care exchange for subsidized care — 15,560 of an estimated 80,000 uninsured who qualified for coverage signed up and after the first full year, one-third of the total eligible population — 122,000 people — became insured. The road to nearly universal coverage was gradual, as enrollment didn’t fully ramp up until almost a year after the initial rollout. Significantly, early enrollment data also showed a high number of Medicaid enrollees.


    Here is a chart of enrollment for Commonwealth Care in 2007, the low-income program:


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    4. New public programs slowly ramp up to coverage. “Enrollment in new programs begins slowly and often takes several months to build momentum,” said Avalere CEO Dan Mendelson. Indeed, The Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) and President George W. Bush’s Medicare Part D experienced this very same enrollment pattern. As Stan Dorn, a Senior Fellow at the Urban Institute’s Health Policy Center, told ThinkProgress, “It’s like any other human activity, it takes time to figure out how to do it right. CHIP, a bipartisan Clinton-era initiative that primarily provides health insurance to children in families with incomes too high to qualify for Medicaid, initially fell far short of enrollment goals and more than half of the seniors who signed up for Medicare Part D didn’t do so until after the initial enrollment period and enrolled despite the Bush administration’s well-publicized initial glitches in extending coverage to low-income beneficiaries.


    5. The government didn’t market Obamacare. Given the technical glitches plaguing the site, the administration and outside groups couldn’t deploy a big public campaign urging uninsured people to sign-up for coverage and did not run a heavy media campaign in the 36 states where the federal government is operating the exchanges. As a result, news about reform was saturated by the website’s problems and likely depressed enrollment.


    6. People less likely to sign up now for coverage that begins in January. “One would assume that people who are older and in poorer health would be the most persistent, at least initially, in navigating the federal website despite all the glitches and inability to complete the process,” Edwin Park, Vice President for Health Policy at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, said. This may be part of the reason why the insurance risk pools are coming in older than originally predicted. Administration officials say they expect younger people to enroll in coverage closer to the deadline (and when the first bill is due ).

  • IllinoisLady
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  • Anonymous
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    Good morning all - sunny day here, even tho it's only 18 outside. All ready for New England winter - screens down, garden put to bed, and lovely too thinking of GardenGumby smelling plumeria, and Pip getting a suntan while I get my cross country skis ready.


    Sending healing thoughts to Enjoyful, hope the docs figure out something good soon.

  • bluedahlia
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    Mushrooms anyone? Blue ones, even!



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  • Bren-2007
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    Good Morning Peeps!


    Sunnyflowers ... it was 29 degrees here this a.m. And it's not going to warm up much today. Thank goodness I have the majority of the leaf mess cleaned up ... way too cold to blow leaves today! Dreading walking the dogs. I need to start wearing gloves when I take them. I found some cheap ones at walmart that were only $1.50 ... perfect for our daily walks.


    Blue ... the picture reminds me so much of Athena. She would love this cold weather we're having. I miss her.


    The bug man is coming today. Yay ... since I've been blowing all these leaves, I've been seeing a lot more spiders inside and out. They have to go!


    Hope everyone has a great hump day.


    Bren

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
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    It was COLD here in Niagara yesterday, but sunny and warmer today - the temp right now is 55F and the sky is that particular winter blue. Bren, I just spent the morning filling bags of leaves; I use a leaf "sucker-upper" which chops them in tiny bits. The way the breezes work around here, all the leaves from the neighbours' trees swirl around and end up right here!


    It's been an absolutely wonderful year for spiders -- I've never seen so many, many webs. So much depends on the weather, doesn't it? Last year a late frost meant almost barren apple trees. This year the apples are the 'bestest' and the 'mostest' and the sweetest we've had in years. And the wineries are having a bumper year -- although I doubt it will be a vintage year; not enough days of very hot weather.


    Hugs to ailing kitties and their moms.

  • GlobalGirlyGirl
    GlobalGirlyGirl Member Posts: 269
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    Good morning Ladies. I'm at home coughing up a lung. I hardly ever get colds, but this one sucks!!


    blue - I never heard of blue and purple mushrooms. That wedding gown is gorgeous. And I love the little lion family. Especially since I'm a Leo.


    It reminds me of Miss Athena too. Her avatar is burned in my brain. I didn't know her as well as you all did, but she was so helpful when I was diagnosed. The comorbid mental illness thread made me feel a lot less alone too. She was Bipolar I as well. RIP.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
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    GirlyGirl ... So sorry to hear you're sick. All that coughing sucks. Hope you feel better soon.


    hugs,


    Bren


    PS ... Carrots ... I wish my leaves would blow in my neighbor's yard. I have way too many to suck them up and bag them. Just have to mow over them and mulch them with the riding mower.

  • crazy4carrots
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    G3 -- Why is it that the "common" cold delivers so much f'ing misery, when it's just a stupid little virus? Anyhow, since we've all had them, we can truly commiserate with you! Tea tree oil to clear the sinuses, and a hot rum toddy to help you sleep -- those are my helpful hints.

  • bluedahlia
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  • GlobalGirlyGirl
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    Thanks for the love, Bren & C4C. I'll try the tea tree oil thing. Never thought of putting that stuff in my nose. Haha

  • Anonymous
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    Globalgirly, I swear by Gualfenesin, generic name, to keep coughs "productive" - seems to make things go faster. Every pharmacy seems to have it under a different store name - basically "mucus relief" - hope you feel better soon. Also a sniff of Olbas will knock your socks off, and even clear your nose!


    Blue - those have to be "photoshopped" - don't they? I prefer the more natural "blue" - as in blue poppy, delphinium - which a friend has been able to grow every year, not me.

  • kayfh
    kayfh Member Posts: 790
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    Is hydraSense available in the US (imported by Schering-Plough from France)? It is "hydrating nasal care for use when cold or allergy symptoms are present". I learned about it when the nasal s/e from my every three week Herceptin were starting to make breathing very very difficult. It really works for that. And I swear it makes cold symptoms go away much faster than the anti histamines, anti cough, anti sneeze drugs with their attendant s/e. I tried to get my DH to try it recently, but he just quacked at me. And suffered longer than I thought necessary. (Man cold?). It is just sterile normal saline, which makes it isotonic, so non irritating. They also claim it is natural sea water. Whatever. I believe it works. If it's just a placebo response, well I love placebo response cause in this case it makes me feel better and I can't think of a downside. Except I have to go to a pharmacy and buy it from time to time. But while I am out I can go and buy some rum which will make me not care about having an antihistamine response to herceptin or a crappy cold.

  • pupmom
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    So companies are supposed to offer training to doctors on Obamacare for free?? Since that source comes from the Washington Times, color me skeptical.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
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    ......or offer no training or advertising at all - yeah right. Can we please stop all of the military recruitment ads on MTV then? Maybe the fact that it comes from the Washington Times is somewhat offset by the fact that Rupert Murdoch has part ownership of WebMD. :)

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
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    Kam, I did not know that!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    I did not know that either.....but then who can know everything these billionaires have. I would love to think that we will get enough people in.....in 14 and 16 to make some sort of changes to things which will help when it comes to politics and other things these billionaires buy. I know that could all be really wistful thinking but I need a break from all the idiocy some way so it is at least a pleasant thought. I do feel that much could end up going right with the ACA ( that will bring on a lot of rt. wing horror ) and I also think there's not much right now for the Rethugs.....they have either made or allowed to be made such a tremendous mess of the government the last few years. There can be rah-rahs a plenty....but once you consider the time and money and obstruction -- it will get a whole lot quieter. Just some random thoughts here...........because they were floating around.


    Jackie


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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    Miss Broken Record strikes again....her voice box works so well and stupid just


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    keeps pouring out.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
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    I guess the Pope is no longer on her short list, hey?

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